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ears

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so it turns out that my ignition problem isnt an ignition at all!! its my pats.

so im lookin for info on the pats system!!

the things i know are as follows,
i know, that the only thing that the pats does is secure ignition if there isnt a pats capsul presant, or it doesnt see a pats capsul. and i know the pats failure indecator is the theft light flashig in the instrument cluster quickly.

well my light is flashing and the car cranks and cranks but i get 0 ignition!! so,,, how do i either disable the pats,,, fix the pats,,, or over ride the pats!!??

can i possibly by a new pats capsul, and the car start?? really just about any info would help, thanks!!
 
dope3

dope3

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hey i have pats and i can put a regular key in it and it will start but it shuts down in about 5 seconds you sure its your pats i do know all it is a little box that sit on the column no that big as far as going around it don't know
 
wickedstangs

wickedstangs

Chula Vista, CA
Staff member
Administrator
ears said:
so it turns out that my ignition problem isnt an ignition at all!! its my pats.

so im lookin for info on the pats system!!

the things i know are as follows,
i know, that the only thing that the pats does is secure ignition if there isnt a pats capsul presant, or it doesnt see a pats capsul. and i know the pats failure indecator is the theft light flashig in the instrument cluster quickly.

well my light is flashing and the car cranks and cranks but i get 0 ignition!! so,,, how do i either disable the pats,,, fix the pats,,, or over ride the pats!!??

can i possibly by a new pats capsul, and the car start?? really just about any info would help, thanks!!
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Ears, you have to take it to the dealearship and they will hook it up to a computer and re-enable it. They mate it to your chip in your key.
 
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ears

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negative,,, i told dante about it, and he told me to bring my tuner by!!

he has a program that can disable the pats kill switch, so my pats is still activated, and its still throwing the signal, but i can now start my car,,,, or at least i should be able to!! at least make it driveable,,, so i can get it to ford or somethin so i can get the pats fixed!! then i can have dante re enable the kill switch and ill be back on track!!

man i tell you if it aint one thing its somethin else with this thing!!LOLOLOL!!
 
wickedstangs

wickedstangs

Chula Vista, CA
Staff member
Administrator
ears said:
negative,,, i told dante about it, and he told me to bring my tuner by!!

he has a program that can disable the pats kill switch, so my pats is still activated, and its still throwing the signal, but i can now start my car,,,, or at least i should be able to!! at least make it driveable,,, so i can get it to ford or somethin so i can get the pats fixed!! then i can have dante re enable the kill switch and ill be back on track!!

man i tell you if it aint one thing its somethin else with this thing!!LOLOLOL!!
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Man you confused the hell out me.. Thats why I always wait to talk to people in person about there issues:)
 
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ears

Well-Known Member
alright,,, so the pats code went away!! well i erased it and it has yet to come back!!

but now im getting the p1000, which says the obd is not completing its system check!! so where in gods name do i even start with that?? really,, im at a complete loss with this one!!
 
dope3

dope3

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sounds like a bad computer that is just a guess this might be a dumn question but did you check all your fuses and stuff like that
 
dope3

dope3

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found this ears

OBD2 (OBDII) Scan Test is Incomplete
The computer system or ECM, PCM (engine control module, powertrain control module) that controls your car is equipped with a basic operating program. This operating program is designed to control your engine, transmission, emissions, safety systems and more. If a scan has been performed by using a code scanner and a "scan could not be completed" code is retrieved further troubleshooting is necessary. Usually a trouble code P1000 or manufacturers equivalent. We have listed several reasons for this condition.

Stuck Engine Thermostat - If the engine thermostat has stuck open it forces the engine coolant to stay at too low of a temperature causing the ECM/PCM to stay in open loop. This open loop creates a state of preprogrammed parameters were no diagnostic tests can be preformed. (ECM/PCM is constantly waiting for the engine to heat up to operating temperature for closed loop operation)


Shorted Oxygen Sensor/Coolant Sensor - The ECM/PCM relies on information from sensors to operated, if one of these sensors is severely shorted it can cause the ECM/PCM to stay in open loop, causing a code gathering incomplete trouble code


Shorted Fuel Injector - If a fuel injector short circuits it can cause the engine not to run by shorting the injector driver. If the car doesn't run and a code gathering incomplete trouble code like P1000 is present, it could be a fuel injector shorted. Unplug all injectors and try to rescan system
 
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ears

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well,,, it could be a few things then!!

thermostat,,, i dont got one!! i have a bypass plug from ati!! but it wont start,,, so the coolant isnt necesarily too cold,,, it hasnt gone any where,,, no chance to heat up in the first place!!

shorted coolant sensor,,,, well i do have a gauge running off one of my coolant sensors,,, but its not even hooked up,,, so i dont see how that would have any affect on anything!!

and for the fuel injector,,,, i dont know,,, maybe i guess, but i dont know how it would work two weeks agoe and not now!! but i could check it out tomorrow!!
 
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ears

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i figured,,,perhaps the battery is just below voltage,, so i took it to auto zone and told them to put it on a slow trickle over night,, so i dont want to say that any of this is actually making my car not start,,, but at this point,,,,, well i just dont know!!!!
 
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ears

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well,,, i put the tune on the car that dante loaded on the tuner for me,,, supposed to turn off the pats kill switch!!

and i charged the battery,,, fully,,, overnight!!!

yet still i have 0000000 spark!!

i know that the coils are good,, i was just driving with them last week!!

i know that the plugs and wires are good,,, they all worked just fine last week!!

so whats that leave us with?? the ecu, pats (not likely but i suppose it is plausable), and ??????????
 
atlblue98gt

atlblue98gt

Greer, SC
find someone with a 98 cobra and try to use theri ecu. Idk if it'll work or not. Just a thought. I now your frustrated by now.
 
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ears

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not quite that frustrated!!!

question though,,, is there a way to straight up check the ecu o see if theres a problem with it??
 
atlblue98gt

atlblue98gt

Greer, SC
ears said:
not quite that frustrated!!!

question though,,, is there a way to straight up check the ecu o see if theres a problem with it??
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not sure. Im glad I never had an issue with that with my build. Throwing any check engine lights? All I know is see if you can find someone to come over with a 98 cobra and keep trying parts till its fixed or you find out what it is. Then you know what you have to buy without buying piece after piece and it still doesnt work.
 
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ears

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well,,, i just got off the phone with dante,,, hes saying that its probably the cps,, which would surprise the hell out of me,,, because it was working well last week,, but im off to autozone,, to see if i cant track one down!!
 
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