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Black*Death

Black*Death

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maverick169v said:
sorry man i totally disagree. ive seen a stock evo run an 8.50 to 8.70. new blackstallion on street tires before nos and **** ran high 8s so there is that. and so what if its forced induction. you gonna buy a 4.6 or a 5.4 cobra say you cant compare to a like priced import because it has forced induction? its a 2.0liter to a 4.6 or a 5.4 is going to be there argument.

take away forced induction, sorry bro, the f-body stock for stock is faster. if you want to compare naturally aspirated v8s. my buddys ta has a tune, heads, cams and exhaust and makes 447rwhp. my blown gt on a race tune barely breaks 400. im just being realistic man.

on a tune, pulleys and cai, 30hp?i doubt it. not saying it isnt possible just that it isnt common. someone post a dyno sheet with 330rwhp with a cai, pulleys and tune, with NOTHING else and i will take it back.

an m3 will beat a new edge, so will an m5 and as far as the bigger cars, i raced a 7series alpine on my bike, my bike. and from 100-160 he didnt get shook by my boys cbr rc-51 until about 160. i lost him around 140 and i was a little behind but dude, that 7 series, heavy or not is insane fast. probably just as fast as my blown gt. and ive got a decent amount of work done.

i know all about forced induction, ive got a 9lb kenne bell set up on mine. especially a 2v mustang, if you dont have forced induction your a small fish in a big pond.

i love stangs as much as the next guys. but guys who cant "keep **** in perspective" that run around in mildly bolted on stangs thinking they can take on the world is why a lot of people think mustangs are a joke. cause they dont race me, or yosemidy, or vp, or emilio or people with serious cars. they race young guys who just got their car and are a little over zealous. they beat the young guy because his car is a project thats just starting and because of all the trash that young guy talks, they stereotype us all. my car is fast, my car is real fast, and i still try to keep trash talking to minimum, try to stay underrated if im planning to race, and pick my fights wisely.
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I agree most F-bodies are faster year for year but also comparing a 5.7 liter to a 4.6. Although your buddies fbody is N/A a head swap and cams is a huge engine change and can compare with a mildly boosted car. i disagree with there is replacement for displacement. Your car is boosted yet still is slower than friend's N/A Fbody although i called your friend's car = to mild boost so i am contradicting myself!

Don't forget S197 is 300 CRANK hp not RWHP so honestly 30+ RWHP gains happen everyday. usually puts the s197 in the 295-305 RWHP range. Saw posted dyno sheets all the time on forums. Basically hangs or driver's race with LS1's after those bolt-ons.

Your car needs new heads to make it better with that F/I. I am sure you know that so i won't beat it into the ground.

I agree Stang drivers can be just as stupid as the everyday ricer. i drove my father in law's 2001 T/A WS6 and had some mildly modded New Edge's flex at me.

Lastly refresh my memory but i thought most EVO VIII+IX had about 285 crank HP? Same with STI's. i think you are over estimating them at 330 and 300 respectively???

As far as comparing F/I 4 cylinders to n/A stangs I didn't mean unfair as much as on different levels. Adding F/I to a car takes it too a whole new level/ballpark. That is why I said not a good comparison. I feel F/I is so far above N/A most of the time that not a great comparison
 
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maverick169v

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Black*Death said:
Your car needs new heads to make it better with that F/I. I am sure you know that so i won't beat it into the ground.
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sorry man not true. the max i can run is around 10-12 lbs of boost. i would say 401 at 9 lbs would put me in the neighborhood of 450 with 12lb, if not higher. it doesnt need heads nearly as bad as it needs forged internals to take the boost. again another shortfall of the mustang, junk ass internals with exception of a terminator.

again, playing the devils advoctate here, your saying that the mustang trumps all but only if you compare it to another naturally aspirated 4.6 litre. also my car runs 3 tenths of a second faster with us both on slicks also bringing up a fast car is more than horsepower. and as far as a different level, or a replacement for displacement. correct me if im wrong, but bigger displacement burns more fuel and more air? kind of like big injectors and forced induction.
 
Black*Death

Black*Death

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maverick169v said:
sorry man not true. the max i can run is around 10-12 lbs of boost. i would say 401 at 9 lbs would put me in the neighborhood of 450 with 12lb, if not higher. it doesnt need heads nearly as bad as it needs forged internals to take the boost. again another shortfall of the mustang, junk ass internals with exception of a terminator.

again, playing the devils advoctate here, your saying that the mustang trumps all but only if you compare it to another naturally aspirated 4.6 litre. also my car runs 3 tenths of a second faster with us both on slicks also bringing up a fast car is more than horsepower. and as far as a different level, or a replacement for displacement. correct me if im wrong, but bigger displacement burns more fuel and more air? kind of like big injectors and forced induction.
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I am not saying turn up the boost only saying 4v heads are much better than 2v heads for F/I and N/A with all things being equal.

Certainly Mustangs DON"T trump all. If you are beating a car that is essential the same weight both on slicks but he has 50 more HP than something isn't right here. Either he can't drive(which i doubt) or his gears aren't steep enough??? Or he is simply still spinning on slicks??

Bigger displacement doesn't always mean more HP. Look at a boosted car vs N/A. A F/I car is simply slamming more air in and fuel and greatly increasing the pressure.

I think you mean a larger displacement should be able to keep up with a smaller engine using F/I? is that what you mean? I agree to a point with that but forcing 21 pounds of boost aka 1.5 atmospheres above normal is quite an advantage. At 100% efficiency(which no engine/car is) that would increase HP by 1.5 times roughly

A 160 4 cyl Honda at 21 # boost at 100% efficiency would now be a 400 HP engine. That is quite a lot for a larger displacement engine to overcome. Efficiencyfor tubo is likely closer to 65%(?) or now a 316HP engine in a car that can weigh 2600 pounds?


what were we talking about again????????
 
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maverick169v

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man i have to address it in bullets.lol. here goes. sure four valve heads are better than two, they flow more air, thats obvious. do i beat up on four valves, yeah. i could beat an na cobra before i put on my forced induction. hp isnt everything. drag racing its very little. there is guys on modular depot with less than 300hp running mid to low 11s. i didnt believe til i saw slips.

and again with beating the t/a again hp isnt everything. for one being boosted i generate power much quicker than his pushrod 350. 2nd i have a better clutch, we both have 3.73s, he has a stick, my buddies 480hp z28 with an auto and torque converter is still a tenth slower than me. ive got a solid drivetrain and a decent amount of suspension work. i get power quick and i get it all to the ground faster. another reason lower hp cars are faster sometimes.

this day and age bigger cubes is more power, thats why z06s are 7 liters and vipers are 8liters. thats why the cobra is 5.4, the ford gt 5.4, the c6 6.2 . displacement makes power. so does boost. boost in my opinion is superior.

not taking a ricer point of view so i will make an american comparison. you go out and you buy a big daddy 5.4, all motor, you top this thing out, you get the heads done, big cams, huge injectors, compression through the roof. you make high 4s, maybe 500hp. i build a bullet proof 4.6 and crank the boost up to about 18lbs. make 500-600 hp. my power band is so steep it looks like a wall. its all which route you decide to take. if you go all motor, or all suspension and you get your ass whipped by a different set up, you got beat.

hey just my opinion. which that with a $1.50 should get you a cup of coffee.
 
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maverick169v

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big dispacement, like stroker big is asking for trouble. too many moving parts. and i quote greg at ret. "never worry about making the engine bigger, just stronger, let the blower do the work."
 
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maverick169v

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um, not mentioning the z06, ever heard of a zr1? your going to see it on magazine covers smashing 300-400k euro supercars.
 
Black*Death

Black*Death

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maverick169v said:
man i have to address it in bullets.lol. here goes. sure four valve heads are better than two, they flow more air, thats obvious. do i beat up on four valves, yeah. i could beat an na cobra before i put on my forced induction. hp isnt everything. drag racing its very little. there is guys on modular depot with less than 300hp running mid to low 11s. i didnt believe til i saw slips.

and again with beating the t/a again hp isnt everything. for one being boosted i generate power much quicker than his pushrod 350. 2nd i have a better clutch, we both have 3.73s, he has a stick, my buddies 480hp z28 with an auto and torque converter is still a tenth slower than me. ive got a solid drivetrain and a decent amount of suspension work. i get power quick and i get it all to the ground faster. another reason lower hp cars are faster sometimes.

this day and age bigger cubes is more power, thats why z06s are 7 liters and vipers are 8liters. thats why the cobra is 5.4, the ford gt 5.4, the c6 6.2 . displacement makes power. so does boost. boost in my opinion is superior.

not taking a ricer point of view so i will make an american comparison. you go out and you buy a big daddy 5.4, all motor, you top this thing out, you get the heads done, big cams, huge injectors, compression through the roof. you make high 4s, maybe 500hp. i build a bullet proof 4.6 and crank the boost up to about 18lbs. make 500-600 hp. my power band is so steep it looks like a wall. its all which route you decide to take. if you go all motor, or all suspension and you get your ass whipped by a different set up, you got beat.

hey just my opinion. which that with a $1.50 should get you a cup of coffee.
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I love boost too have a procharger on my car but most of the HP arguments I make are based on everything being equal. A stripped out 325rwHP stang with great suspension and good driver defiantely could beat a 400 HP LS1. I guess I didn't make that point clear before about all else being equal. We all have heard stories of guys running 14's in c6 z06's. A lot of people do the engine work but don't improve suspension or tires and simply spin all day with their 500Hp engines, So basically of course I realize there is more to winning races than simply HP. what the he!! wre we debating about anyways?? I lost track 2 posts back??
 
VP_07SRT8

VP_07SRT8

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maverick169v said:
i lost on the track to VP_96COBRA, just say i win if its just a straight line and ill stop driving when i see curves cause me scared to lose.lol.
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DSGimportslayer

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i agree about the M3. one smoked me in the top end when i had my 02 gt. we were at 145 i was pulling away then all of a sudden this guy blows by me like im not even moving any more, 180+. but however i dont drive the GT anymore and the M3 i encountered last night felt the wrath of the Dark Shadow Gray inport slayer.....muhhahahahahahahahaha. stock for stock bang for the buck......cant beat the terminator!!!!
 
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maverick169v

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maverick169v said:
my car is so much faster than vps i get out and push it through turns just to make it fair enough that he wont quit. its pathetic. his car is so old i saw it in the classic section of auto trader between bjs fox and a dinosaur.
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