I'm going solid roller :)

[orange395w]

where am I contradicting myself? yes I did suggest a solid roller setup the other day but not if you plan on staying below 6000 rpms. but do what you want. now if you want to take that bitch to 7500 rpms, then now we're talking solid roller.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Just because you have a solid roller doesn't mean you need to rev through the roof. Solid rollers create stability in the valvetrain. That's why they can rev higher, but they will also make more power throughout the rpm range because of that stability. There is no rule that says solid roller = 7500rpm and hyd roller = less.

The stock rev limiter is 6250 which also shows that the rev limiter has nothing to do with this issue. As for the exhaust back fire........what do you think is going to happen when valve are floating? No Sh*t huh?

David you can come over when the process begins if you want some schooling.

 

[02gt]

orange what is the difference between the two cams??? solid vs hydraulic

 

[Sinful]

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Just because you have a solid roller doesn'y mean you need to rev through the roof. Solid rollers create stability in the valvetrain. That's why they can rev higher, but they will also make more power throughout the rpm range because of that stability. There is no rule that says solid roller = 7500rpm and hyd roller = less.

The stock rev limiter is 6250 which also shows that the rev limiter has nothing to do with this issue. As for the exhaust back fire........what do you think is going to happen when valve are floating? No Sh*t huh?

David you can come over when the process begins if you want some schooling.

I need some schooling? like how you were trying to install your front coil over kit backwards, how it took you like 10 times to finally be able to correctly install an oil pan, intake without leaks, or properly adjust rockers, not to mention by time you learned to polish your shiny parts in the boss, I had already built my 5th motor from ground up without paying someone to do it. And by the time you learned to properly install a head gasket, or adjust your rockers (which by the way they still tick), I was already on my 3 or 4th blown combo with all the tuning capability and teaching you how to tune.

As far as comparing the solid roller vs hyd roller, I was just trying to point out the right hyd roller setup would do just as good for a 6000 rpm motor and your needs. But if you want to spin the motor higher, change a few things here in there to match things up, then you're probably on the right path and it will make more power regardless if going solid or not.

 

[Sinful]

orange what is the difference between the two cams??? solid vs hydraulic

Solid roller can withstand steeper ramps on the cam and higher spring pressures that would collapse a hydraulic roller. Opens the valves faster, gets the valve to max. lift as quickly as possible, holds it open as long as possible and then closes as quickly as possible which gives more flow, more power. solid roller will have an almost "square" looking lobe too in comparison to a hyd roller cam.

 

[Sinful]

The stock rev limiter is 6250 which also shows that the rev limiter has nothing to do with this issue. As for the exhaust back fire........what do you think is going to happen when valve are floating?

They are going to bitch slap you?

 

[Sinful]

valve float video

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REQ1PUM0rY"]YouTube - Valve Float[/ame]

valve springs at 7000 rpms

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_NpzU4pGjc&NR=1"]YouTube - Valvespring at 7000 RPM[/ame]

 

[02gt]

Solid roller can withstand steeper ramps on the cam and higher spring pressures that would collapse a hydraulic roller. Opens the valves faster, gets the valve to max. lift as quickly as possible, holds it open as long as possible and then closes as quickly as possible which gives more flow, more power. solid roller will have an almost "square" looking lobe too in comparison to a hyd roller cam.

so basicly is a bad ass cam. thanks

 

[Sinful]

 

[wikedcobra312]

bob, your sig is just plain awesome. cant wait to hear the orange beast, glad you never sold it

 

[orange395w]

I need some schooling? like how you were trying to install your front coil over kit backwards, how it took you like 10 times to finally be able to correctly install an oil pan, intake without leaks, or properly adjust rockers, not to mention by time you learned to polish your shiny parts in the boss, I had already built my 5th motor from ground up without paying someone to do it. And by the time you learned to properly install a head gasket, or adjust your rockers (which by the way they still tick), I was already on my 3 or 4th blown combo with all the tuning capability and teaching you how to tune.

As far as comparing the solid roller vs hyd roller, I was just trying to point out the right hyd roller setup would do just as good for a 6000 rpm motor and your needs. But if you want to spin the motor higher, change a few things here in there to match things up, then you're probably on the right path and it will make more power regardless if going solid or not.

5 motors? LOL!! You must be drunk again, .........again. I know of one engine that you built. I wouldn't call buying and selling things building engines. Everything that you have ever put together was with somebody elses bull**** parts that they didn't want anymore. You always start things and never finish them. Then I give you an opportunity to do something badass with your car by selling you an awesome Novi 2000 and after another one of your halfway installs you decided to sell it because it was too big for you.

Then you decided to go turbo and couldn't rev it past 3000rpms because of what? Oh it must have been your stock rev limiter not allowing you to rev higher, maybe DPR didn't eliminate it in your tune. I'm sure it wasn't valve float.........it couldn't have been.

Instead of fixing the issue once again you sold it and bought some other B U L L S H I T. I remeber an R block that you started and didn't finish as well. As a matter of fact you got so fed up that you could never get sh*t right that you tried to put your car back together with stock parts.

You are a Master Mechanic in my book.

If you are going to the meeting on Sunday I'm gonna have too whoop your little Ass! Don't be mad Biatch, but I'll need some assistance from you to pull my engine for the 10th time LOL!!!

Happy valentines day Mutha fukka!

 

[orange395w]

By the way good post on the solid roller vs Hydraulic roller.

 

[Sinful]

lol

The Novi 2000 you sold to me was a piece of ****, the sn95 version was poorly designed and I personally will never buy one again (unless is the fox version).


as for the 336ci R single turbo project, I went over my head with spending and had to pull the plug at $15k mark. but i should have some good $ coming in soon, we´ll build something similar but within a set budget to make it more realistic.


back to the valvetrain discussion, didn´t I suggested you go with a more race oriented cam when the motor was out the last few times awhile back? your response was you didn´t want to worry about not clearing the pistons because the pistons came out of the block deck considerably. for this you had also used a taller head gasket. and if the cam guy is telling you not to worry it should clear, you might want to double check with the new cam and clay it to make sure.

fyi

 

[Sinful]

by the way yes my previous turbo car on a stock bottom end stopped making power at around 3500 , but made over 480wtq at that rpm lol. perfect example of valve float though, power just dropped after 4000 rpms

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvexDmGx40"]YouTube - 95 cobra single T76 turbo[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etw6eF2NpQ0"]YouTube - 95 cobra T76 single turbo[/ame]

 

[Daniboy1983]

How much do you want for the link bar lifters? I'm going to need some for my swap to a roller cam.

 

[orange395w]

I´ll sell them for $325. I will have to pull them first and make sure they are in good shape. They only have about 5000miles on them and 7 passes down the track. They are $500 new. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=CRN-36532-16&autoview=sku

 

[Daniboy1983]

Once you take them out and ensure they are still good PM me and i'll take them. I'm in no hurry to tear apart my own motor so I don't need them anytime soon.

 

[orange395w]

Once you take them out and ensure they are still good PM me and i'll take them. I'm in no hurry to tear apart my own motor so I don't need them anytime soon.

Cool. I'll let you know as soon as they come out. If you change your mind just let me know. These things will fly once I put them on corral.net, lol. I'll keep you posted.

 

[Daniboy1983]

I've been waiting for a deal like this for awhile so I won't be changing my mind. Plus like you said they are going to go immediately. I will be going to yuma for a month of training the 23rd of March so I guess thats the only time stipulation I have. Hell I'd even be willing to pay early and if they aren't good just get my money back. thanks

 

[orange395w]

No worries man. If I get the engine out next weekend I'll pull it apart and check them out. I did post them on corral last night and already have a P.M., but you have dibs for sure.

 

[Daniboy1983]

I've never built a roller setup and have only worked on already running roller motors so I'm not real sure how you can tell if the rollers are good. Is it just how good they roll or what? If one doesn't spin or what ever as well as the others would it be bad? Also would it be a good idea to have them sent to the factory to be gone through? My father has done that with his solid roller lifters after 3 seasons of circle track racing.