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Important Race Car Meeting

wickedstangs

wickedstangs

Chula Vista, CA
Staff member
Administrator
Ok, All.... We, as a club, have a very important decision to make about our racecar. There are many ideas and many options to consider, but the fact remains that we need to make a choice/decision on which direction we are going to take. This weekend I'm holding a meeting at my house (Sunday right after Breakfast at Balboa), so these choices can be narrowed down. So, if you are interested in your opinion being considered, please attend this meeting. Plain and simple.... Choices/options will be discussed, narrowed down to 2 choices, then posted on the website to be voted on. Marjority rules and voting will be open for 1 week. Factors that will influence the choices will be funds and complexity. I highly encourage everyone interested in a say on the racecar to attend this meeting, because once the final vote has been made, a plan will be put in place and will not be deviated until the first phase of the project is complete. We need to get this project going!

For all those who are not in the SD area that have been donating to our project, first and foremost, thank you! We are very interested in your opinion and want to ensure your "voices" are heard. Would you please email me your ideas/opinions about the racecar, so your ideas can be taken into consideration? Again, your support is truly appreciated!

Please RSVP for the event so I have enough food and drinks.

If you like, Voice your Opinions all other inputs will be deleted... Again your OPINION ONLY we will discuss this at the meeting...

Thank You
 
yosemiddysam

yosemiddysam

Well-Known Member
Donator
Ok I think it is horse **** that we have spent this much time and money trying to get the 4.6 in and running!!!!!!! Why have we all of a sudden just up and decide that a 302/351 will be better????? Are they not pretty close in horse power...Stock for Stock????? It seems to " TO ME " to be a slap in Xaviers face for buying the donor car, "dealing with the crap the origional owner pulled," and for what????? To get the car half way done and just quit. I personally have been there a few times to get it running but to me it just seems like we have quit!!!!!! Is there a problem??? Are we in over our heads with getting it running???? Non of this has been expressed!!!!! Why are we just quiting on the 4.6///// You know us Marines never quit lol I just wanna reason why!!!!!!!
 
GT400SC

GT400SC

PM for Decals
I will give my position here EXACTLY as I did at Emilio's on Sunday with others in attendance.

Personally, I try to look at the racecar venture as a practical matter, so much so that it must almost be business-like, logical, well-planned and executed and with a specific mission. That may sound a lot like a salesman's pitch for selling an idea and it is but bear with me and please, fellow Stangers, hear me out before you let your head "SPLODE" all over your monitors.

This is how I see it.

The 32Valve Mod Motor was an idea. Whether it made total sense or not is not for me to judge or decide. The club was (and still is) gung ho about getting ourselves into a car and onto the track and getting recognized and maybe even win some races.

Didn't take us long to find a great car. I mean a GREAT car! A big chunk of the work to ready this car for the strip was already done and it saved us tons of money and time already having it done.

Then the find of a lifetime, a 32V ModMotor. As close to a Cobra motor as you can get without actually being one, and for what, $300 or so? What a deal. Don't get me wrong, it was and still is one HELL of a deal.

But the two aren't the best match in my opinion, for us, for Wickedstangs.

Has this motor been put in a Fox before? Sure, but not enough that we should be tackling this ourselves this early in our racecar adventures. I said at the Sunday meeting that in MY opinion, we should sell the 32V and go with proven technology, whether it be a 302, 351 or ??? But the Mod Motor would serve us better by selling it.

We can get 4-6 times what we paid for it since these motors currently fetch $1500-2000. Remember, we paid $300. Look at it as an investment that will finance a large portion of another motor.

To me, it makes sense to use proven principles. Foxs and 302s (and even 351s) were born to run together. There's a million people out there drag racing these combinations. We can build one AWESOME race car avoiding mistakes others have made. We can be very competitive using ideas already tried and tested. So many people have done so many things with this combination that all we have to do is pick and choose what ideas will work for us, which ideas will give us the best advantage, which ideas will give us the best "BANG FOR OUR BUCK".

Would it be "cool" to blaze a new or seldom traveled path by stuffing a 32V into a Fox? YES! Would it be more unique than a 400HP 302? YES. But would it be worth all the custom parts, the headaches, the endless trials and tribulations of trying to make this work? I don't think so. we want to get racing. We want to race a dependable car. We want to race a SAFE car. I say, as a fledgling group on their FIRST try, we use what we KNOW works and take it from there.

Now then, is this a slap in the face of those who put up their hard earned money, sweated over the engine pull, stumbled through junk yards to pull rare but needed parts, did endless things to get us as far as we are?

Not at all. You, we, all of us are to be commended for what has been done thusfar. If anything, we have proven that we work together as a team without bickering, infighting or vapid disagreements.

But look at this from a logical standpiont. If we can sell the 32V motor for a tremendous profit, then the choice of another motor and it's fitment is childsplay compared to what we're trying to do right now. This is our first attempt at this. Let's go with what we know will work and leave the exotic combinations for later on.

In the long run, a good 302 built on a mexican block will give us a long life, be easier to work on, cost less in the long run and be easier to find parts for. Should it break, it will be easier to rebuild or replace (if necessary) and parts are so plentiful, we're practically stumbling over them.

My suggestions Sunday were, and still are:

1. Sell the 32V and make a handsome profit on it. Personally, I would still work on a temporary harness so you can start it and show a potential buyer it runs out smoothly.

2. Make a decision on whether to buy/build a 302, 351, 400 or whatever motor suits us best with parts we already have, can get easily and cheaply or have easy access to.

3. Create a "Board" of individuals to help facilitate this. These members would be accountable to the President and the club as a whole. They would be an advisory group as well as facilitators. Their duties are to find out what needs to be procurred and then "go get it"! This doesn't mean to Kragen or a junkyard. These people will need to clean up, put on a suit and meet with companies that we would like to have as sponsors. Sponsors who will provide parts....FREE parts. Unless one of us wins the lottery, we are NEVER going to be able to fund this car on our internal donations.

We need to have a handful of intelligent men (or women) who can walk into the Edelbrock factory or Whipple in Fresno and sit down with their people and talk them into donating parts. These members need to be able to "SELL" Wickedstangs to these manufacturers and get them on board and WANT to give us parts and see us succeed.

4. Wickedstangs itself needs to elect officers to serve with the President. There should be 2-3 Vice Presidents (other than VPs in charge of chapters) who will handle marketing, public relations, special projects, etc. (These are just ideas) There needs to be a structured business portfolio assembled for presentation to companies you want to get help (parts and sponsorship) from. Wickedstangs needs to prove that it's a legitimate club. WE all know it is, that's not the point. If Vic Edelbrock has never heard of us when we go into a meeting asking for an intake manifold, what are we going to show him or Cammie just who we really are? We are not a band of rag tag misfits looking for a handout, but they don't know that.

We need to have a sales pitch. We need to show this club's history, it's roots, where it was, where it is and where it's going. We sell it's ideals. We sell it's dreams and goals, we sell it's members and families, we sell what this club is all about and how it has grown and become a nationwide force to be reckoned with. We put together a high speed-low drag GLOSSY presentation that the facilitators (AKA Salesmen) proudly carry and present. Hell, we don't even have official letterhead, business cards or member cards. We need to polish our image, spiff up and go out into the world and sell ourselves to those who have what we need.

We can do this.

But the last thing I want anyone to think is that everything you guys have done thusfar is a waste. It is not. But if we're going to alter the direction a few degrees, THIS is the time to do it. The project is VERY alive and well, I just think we need to change course and go the way many before us have gone on a well-travelled road instead of trying the incredibly difficult task on our first attempt.

Flame on if you feel the need. But that is my 2 cents.
 
orange395w

orange395w

OG MEMBER
Staff member
Can we get someone to post all of the things needed to complete the 4.6 swap? Parts, modifications, wiring, etc., etc. It seems to me that the wiring is the problem that has taken the steam out of this project. I know that there were other issues like modyfying motor mounts, hitting the steering rack etc.

Can you post an answer to this before deleting it?
 
yosemiddysam

yosemiddysam

Well-Known Member
Donator
No flame suit needed GT but if I might add a few things.....
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Has this motor been put in a Fox before? Sure, but not enough that we should be tackling this ourselves this early in our racecar adventures. I said at the Sunday meeting that in MY opinion, we should sell the 32V and go with proven technology, whether it be a 302, 351 or ??? But the Mod Motor would serve us better by selling

That is what is making this club and this car different. MMFF has about a million Fox's with 351's stroked or 302's stroked....How many 4.6's????? There arent many. We chose to go a different route. So what if we dont have the fastest car! We will have a 4.6 powered FOX! That in itself has BITE!

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We can get 4-6 times what we paid for it since these motors currently fetch $1500-2000. Remember, we paid $300. Look at it as an investment that will finance a large portion of another motor.


First off we didn't buy the engine... Xavier bought the car that the engine came out of.... I dont know if he got credit towards the car build or not but HE bought the car and didnt get asked too!!! I highly doubt we could get near as much as people think after we have done the swaps and thrown away most of the parts that needed to go with the engine. We have already made this engine a race engine and dont have the parts to make it smog legal as a 4.6 engine in Cali.

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4. Wickedstangs itself need to elect officers to serve with the President. There should be 2-3 Vice Presidents (other than VPs in charge os chapters) who will handle marketing, public relations, special projects, etc. (These are just ideas) There needs to be a structured business portfolio assembled for presentation to companies you want to get help (parts and sponsorship) from. Wickedstangs needs to prove that it's a legitimate club. WE all know it is, that's not the point. If Vic Edelbrock has never heard of us when we go into a meeting asking for an intake manifold, what are we going to show hi or Cammie just who we really are? We are not a band of rag tag misfits looking for a handout, but they don't know that.

Who honestly has time for this and better yet who volunteers for this. Count all the military, which makes up most of this club, out cause we are gone a lot of the time!!!!!!!!!!There is no way we could do this over seas!!!!!!!

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But the last thing I want anyone to think is that everything you guys have done thus far is a waste. It is not. But if we're going to alter the direction a few degrees, THIS is the time to do it. The project is VERY alive and well, I just think we need to change course and go the way many before us have gone on a well-travelled road instead of trying the incredibly difficult task on our first attempt.


No one thinks of it as a waste..... It will be a waste of time if we throw all we have done away and start again..."in my oppinion." We know the 5.0's work... but damn it..... how bout if we make a lil ole 4.6 work and beat the 5.0's???? That will make the magazine! Not the average run of the mill 5.0 in a fox. Just my .02 cents and again I am not trying to burn you nor do you need a flame suit but just thought I would add to the conversation!
 
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sdsubzero4

Spring Valley, CA
Let's save all this for the meeting on Sunday. Everybody has an opinion, that's why it is important that we discuss this in person on Sunday. For those that can't be there, please email Emilio as he has asked in the first post. All opinions are important.
 
beejay31000

beejay31000

BULLWINKLE
man guys, i wish i could make this meeting, but i cant, however i have a few points i want to make. i agreed with the origonal push valve idea we had when we first got the car, but after the effort already put into the 4.6, we should keep going. its an awesome idea and the 4.6 built right can make some insane power. much more than a 302. okay, and onto the whole sponsorship thing dressing up nice and presenting ourselves. i must disagree with this. we are a club of car enthusiasts, not a corperation. actions like that are way beyond our means. and also as yose stated, look at most of us, we are military, how can we consistantly be there to help guide the club in the right direction when we are gone every other year.


think of it this way. we once ha.d a vision of a mod-fox. we all wanted it, many put in hours of time helping start it, procure parts, BUYING CARS!!!, and now something stopped the train from moving and we are off course thinking of alternatives. did we get scared of something. doubt ourselves? what happened? i dont know whats happening back there and i wish i could be there to understand it all, but i think that you all should get back on track with the origonal thought. MOD-FOX FTW

**** if you want to go with a little of gt400's idea, contact a mod-fox shop and ask for their donation of knowledge...

i cant tell you all how much i wish i could be there to assist in all of this. i really do.
 
IgottaV8

IgottaV8

Wickedstangs Road Racing Team
Staff member
Moderator
Board Member
From my perspective, I tend to agree with GT400, in the long run of things, it will be much easier to modify the 302 than it would the 4.6L, I also have a couple of parts that I would be willing to donate to the car when I start my 351w swap. I was as excited as everybody else when we started this project, and maybe we got ahead of ourselves just a bit. I agree that it would be great to have a mod motor fox, but right now our club doesn't have the deep pockets necessary for such an endevour. Please take all that has been said into consideration and bring your opinions to the meeting.
 
GT400SC

GT400SC

PM for Decals
Baby steps, you have to learn to walk before you can run.

I seem to recall hearing discussions about TWO motors. That we would run the 4.6 until we blew it up, but in the mean time, we'd be building up a small block that would eventually be the MAIN motor for this car.

If you follow THAT route, then your mod motor, when it blows up, won't be worth the $1500+ it is now. It won't even be worth the $300 we paid for it. It will be a paperweight and we will have lost an opportunity to sell it for a tremendous profit. In other words, we will be at least $1200 BACKWARDS on this project.

With members who already have parts and willing to donate them (NONE of which will work with the mod motor) we would be wise to use what WILL work.

The available knowledge, history and technical expertise for a built 302 in this car could fill volumes of books.
The available knowledge, history and technical expertise for a 32V Mod in this car is much less.

At this stage in our development, does it really make SENSE that we try to figure this out as our FIRST project or are we doing it because it would be COOL?
 
Foxman

Foxman

Well-Known Member
the 32v has been done more then a dozen times... i you guys should just get a computer wiring harness from a mustang 99-04 and rip the dash out and make it fit... the mod mustang forum tells everything you need... i believe you can get headers for this swap... if the engine is already in dont give up... it will be much more unique and more RELIABLE to run the 32V then a 302 pushrod!
 
Ford1288

Ford1288

Well-Known Member
Donator
Ill be there on Sunday to discuss my point but I think it would be great to do something different for a change. I love the fact we are even doing this. Not many clubs are this dedicated to their love for mustangs. Whatever we do will be fun and something we can all be proud of.
 
Foxman

Foxman

Well-Known Member
I think a 32V fox is more "wicked" and better representing the club then a every day 302!
 
Foxman

Foxman

Well-Known Member
GT400SC said:
At this stage in our development, does it really make SENSE that we try to figure this out as our FIRST project or are we doing it because it would be COOL?
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why does there have to be a time limit... i say stay with the 32V or sell it to me cheap!

or we can just trade the 32V for me 302 roller motor!
 
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