thinking about enlisting

[maverick169v]

the navy, airforce and coast gaurd i think of as jobs. im not downplaying them but it fits the description as regular employment, as far as treatment and what to and what not to expect, the army a little more and a little less on some aspects. the marine corps is different. people talk about being treated like crap, but discipline is what builds order in the corps and its a hard fine line to walk. from what i have seen you have to be strict, firm but above reproach. my guys are so locked on if you say "discipline is" to on eof my e3s and below he will reply "discipline is, the instant and willing obedience to all orders". when we first started that they thought i was stupid and hated it. we made non rates sit on the floor and not in chairs, but it made them hard. now they are shaping up and some of them are gonna be hard ass corporals. its one of those things that you have to go in and take whatever is given good or bad and trust its for the better. if thats an issue, another branch is prolly a safer call. if i wanted a job, i would go to the navy. aside from ships, they have it better than us. but once you get far enough up the ladder,t he corps is a pretty damn good time.

 

[Gibs]

^^^ Whatever......


I will agree with the AF and CG but we do alot of the same **** you said there to the Junior NON QUALS when they come out to ships....until they are no longer a NUB(Non Useful Body), they are not treated that great. They arent laying in a fox hole or anything, but they are still going through the same type of thing.

BTW: The Marine Corps is the Department of the Navy.

 

[boostedmach]

the navy, airforce and coast gaurd i think of as jobs. im not downplaying them but it fits the description as regular employment, as far as treatment and what to and what not to expect, the army a little more and a little less on some aspects. the marine corps is different. people talk about being treated like crap, but discipline is what builds order in the corps and its a hard fine line to walk. from what i have seen you have to be strict, firm but above reproach. my guys are so locked on if you say "discipline is" to on eof my e3s and below he will reply "discipline is, the instant and willing obedience to all orders". when we first started that they thought i was stupid and hated it. we made non rates sit on the floor and not in chairs, but it made them hard. now they are shaping up and some of them are gonna be hard ass corporals. its one of those things that you have to go in and take whatever is given good or bad and trust its for the better. if thats an issue, another branch is prolly a safer call. if i wanted a job, i would go to the navy. aside from ships, they have it better than us. but once you get far enough up the ladder,t he corps is a pretty damn good time.

Come do my "Job" and You will be begging to go out side and see the daylight and go get shot at. I'd tell you to go **** off if you told me to sit on the deck.

 

[Fighting Sailor]

the navy, airforce and coast gaurd i think of as jobs. im not downplaying them but it fits the description as regular employment, as far as treatment and what to and what not to expect, the army a little more and a little less on some aspects. the marine corps is different. people talk about being treated like crap, but discipline is what builds order in the corps and its a hard fine line to walk. from what i have seen you have to be strict, firm but above reproach. my guys are so locked on if you say "discipline is" to on eof my e3s and below he will reply "discipline is, the instant and willing obedience to all orders". when we first started that they thought i was stupid and hated it. we made non rates sit on the floor and not in chairs, but it made them hard. now they are shaping up and some of them are gonna be hard ass corporals. its one of those things that you have to go in and take whatever is given good or bad and trust its for the better. if thats an issue, another branch is prolly a safer call. if i wanted a job, i would go to the navy. aside from ships, they have it better than us. but once you get far enough up the ladder,t he corps is a pretty damn good time.

I invite you to ride out a typhoon in the IO or a Huricane off Hatteres and then tell me what you think of my "JOB".... Oh and do it in a 180 ft PC!
Or tell my Step dad's father what you think of our "JOB".. He was mount captain in Mount 52 aboard USS Smith when she took a Kamikaze (on Mount 52) Tell the crew of USS Scorpion what you think of thier "JOB". Tell the River Rats of Vietnam what you think of thier "JOB". Or more recently tell the crew of USS Cole what ya think of thier "JOB".
I will never disrespect the Corps, I know how tough it is. Please dont disrespect the USN, the risk is different but present just the same.

 

[Gibs]

Well stated ^^^

The risk is different but present just the same.

 

[Lordgufi]

rofl come try my job on for size. also you land based units at least SEE land that may sound weak but when you havnt for weeks even touched land and youve realized youve explored your 400 foot floatie to the extent of ESWS qualification there isnt much left to do for the next 5 months. plus in my rate unless you dont smoke you do not see the sun. i came back from last deployment looking like a ghost even as a smoker i dont know how submariners do it.

 

[beejay31000]

well, not to interupt about navy opinions....im sure the small decks have motivated hard working salors...but on the LHD's ive been on man was it the exact opposite. the NOL was nice tho....best air dept ive ever gotten to work with. i guess it all depends on what unit you go with. there are some turn marine units too....so. oh well, if i had to do it all over again, i would still pick the marines, but i recomend the AF to anyone else....they get the cool ****

 

[Lordgufi]

if civilian life goes south i may end up trying to go AF. they have alot of Tech jobs that i'm interested in.

 

[Fighting Sailor]

The Airforce has thier Badasses too... ParaRescue jumpers, Forward air controllers.... My hat is off to those guys.
You make a good point about the type of unit though... A PC sailor on piracy patrol is goin to see far more action than seaman timmy aboard USS Ronald Reagan. My best friend is an FMF Corpman and is over there right now, I pray for him everyday. I feel better thinkin that all those Marines are going to protect him to the best of thier ability.

 

[sdsubzero4]

Well, we can all go in circles arguing which branch have the toughest jobs, and so on and so on. Every branch has its burden to bear and every branch have their mission to accomplish. Yes, we are all bias to our own branch (as I think the SEALs is the best Special Operations Unit in the military, I'm bias to that. LOL) and as it should be. We should be PROUD of the branch we serve. But in the end we are all serving to accomplish one mission. The safety and our way of lives for us, our family, and the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

The bottom line is, Foxman, serve because you want to serve your country and better yourself as Maverick stated above. But don't serve for any other reason such as for financial security or for convience, because you will hate the military if you do that. As you can gather, there are a bunch of BS you have to deal with as in civilian life. But the difference in the military is, you do not talk back to your superiors. Its a big no-no. And to question any orders given, you better be damn sure it is unlawful and it will be for you to proof it is. Because if you don't, you will end up in court martialed, get an Dishonorable Discharge, and maybe spent some time behind bars.

To answer some of the question why not the Marines or other branches. I believe Foxman posted in an earlier post, he wants to have a chance to be station in Lemoore where his family is living.

Just remember everybody. We are all serving or have served for one mission. The safety and security of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Interbranch rivalry will continue as it has been going for the past 200+ years.

God Bless America. God Bless our Men and Women in our Military.

 

[maverick169v]

im not talking ****, **** living on the ship. im just saying theres less bull**** in the navy. yeah you guys work hard, so do i, and imnot talking **** like oh here we are taking mortars and dropping bodies while your smokin and jokin on ships. mainly cause i dont want to roll around on a damn ship or live below deck for months on end. im saying overall troop welfare is better. you guys get treated better, yeah the boat sucks but youve prolly seen a lot of places while ive seen iraq, pendleton and iraq. if you would tell an e5 to **** off when he tells you to do something and your an e2, thats why you dont live where i live. im not down talking anyone. im just saying the marine corps is a rough ride. so you can whatever it you can give it the my dads bigger than yours but its common knowledge that generally speaking we are harder on our boots than any other branch.


for the record, ive been subjected to only a handful of sailors some of them are squared away but a lot of them are a lot more lax for my liking.

 

[Feared]

nm

 

[Gibs]

noted.......

 

[boostedmach]

im not talking ****, **** living on the ship. im just saying theres less bull**** in the navy. yeah you guys work hard, so do i, and imnot talking **** like oh here we are taking mortars and dropping bodies while your smokin and jokin on ships. mainly cause i dont want to roll around on a damn ship or live below deck for months on end. im saying overall troop welfare is better. you guys get treated better, yeah the boat sucks but youve prolly seen a lot of places while ive seen iraq, pendleton and iraq. if you would tell an e5 to **** off when he tells you to do something and your an e2, thats why you dont live where i live. im not down talking anyone. im just saying the marine corps is a rough ride. so you can whatever it you can give it the my dads bigger than yours but its common knowledge that generally speaking we are harder on our boots than any other branch.


for the record, ive been subjected to only a handful of sailors some of them are squared away but a lot of them are a lot more lax for my liking.

Your right about being harder on your boots...its cause thats where the war is right now, Trust me...when the was goes in another direction.. I.E the cold war...I'll be in the **** and be under fire... Every Branch trains to go to war, My whole job is to track down things, and Kill them before they kill me. In my world, It dont really matter if your an E5, if you dont know your stuff on board a submarine...that e2 over there in the corner with his dolphins pinned on his chest has more respect from me...than the new e4 or e5 reporting on board.

I often wish I could be a ground pounder, and I just might be one if things go my way. And being LAX is a perk....I go out drinking with my LPO (e-6) and we also tend to go out with our Dept Head...(o-3) on occasion. The only reason why we are able to do this, is SOO much responsibly is set upon each person in my submarine world...that and the chain of command is very short, I can go strait to my Chief..or if not, to my Dept head...and the CO.

Surface guys, I dont know how you do it...

 

[sdsubzero4]

We have that in my "world" too. In my platoon, the officers and enlisted hang out and do things together. But once back on the plantation, we all know and respect proper military order and bearings. In our case, we need to have that type of comraderie. It is necessary for us to accomplish our missions. But we know who's in charge.

 

[Foxman]

just as i though thread went the wrong way.. It cool to see each side of things.. If i joined it would be to serve my county.. But i would like to serve my country doing something i enjoy and am good at.. I not the type of guy to go killing people. I am a Mechanic. And jet engines and airplanes seem like a really cool job..

I dont want it to seem like i would be joining for financial stability,. But i sure would like to know what im getting out it.

 

[maverick169v]

what your getting out of it plain and simple, i can make a list.
1. your life is going to change and your going to mature faster than your friends.
2. you will learn and earn respect.
3. you will never go hungry or be without food.
4. you will make friends that are as loyal as you think your friends are now.
5. really we are in a depression? because my paycheck hasnt stopped.
6. really we are in a depression? because i still get an annual raise
7. and health benefits.
8. free school, g.i. bill, numerous free college credits via military training.
9. im an aviation mechanic in the corps. for that bell or pkl will start me at 25 an hour.
10. i can walk into a law enforcement gig and i have it as long as i dont screw it up
11. when you meet a war vet, you will understand hes the unsung heroe of the world
12. your set in a career where your path to advancement is spelled out for you.
13. when you get tired of your job, you can change duties and do something else
14. you will travel. i dont know where, and i cant say it will be good. but you will.
15. airforce girls.
16. navy girls.
17. airforce girls.
18 for the third time, airforce girls.
19. retire at 20 years, if your smart with your money, you can retire for good by then
20. i want to finish with a nice round number, airforce girls.



anyone else can chime in. before you get excited, depending on the branch the bad list is just as long or longer. thats the list you should be worried about. let me help with that. e1 starting pay is like 800 a month.

 

[4CEFED]

Ahhh this turned into which service is the best. Didn't see that one coming. You want to be a airframer be a airframer. I was a diesel mechanic before I joined for swift trucking. I got out of that, it started ruining my love for turning wrenches. Now I am a CT .You could be a airframer as a Marine, AF, Army or Navy. All ups and down each service. AF take care of there people better shorter deployments(4-6 month max) Navy(6-12) Army (1 year), not sure on the Marine side i would aussume a year since there not grunts. Now the schools they send you too should be in Penacola FL for about a year. What ever you decide make sure you take the time to sstudy for the ASVAB get a high score
We could go back and forth who is the best/Hardest service. We all have different missions and are the best at what we do in the entire world.

 

[4CEFED]

We have that in my "world" too. In my platoon, the officers and enlisted hang out and do things together. But once back on the plantation, we all know and respect proper military order and bearings. In our case, we need to have that type of comraderie. It is necessary for us to accomplish our missions. But we know who's in charge.

I take it you're a SO?

 

[Gibs]

MAV, really number 16???? Must be desperate huh....LOL J/K

I wouldnt put that on a list of perks....LOL Most look like trolls....